I am more than happy to read out the figures from the budget papers. Gross debt or net debt—what would you like?

Opposition members: Gross!

Gross debt in 2012-13 is $292.8 million; in 2013-14, $321.3 million; in 2014-15, $345 million; and the peak, at 20.2, is $356 million. But the point I was making earlier—

Opposition members interjecting—