What a very disappointing response from the minister. I posed three tests for him. Will he support our important amendments to the Trade Practices Act? At least we got an answer: no. Will he support our proposition to expand the referral powers to the ACCC? It was a disappointing answer: no. At least we got an answer. But probably the most important question was a very specific one: how many people do the minister and his department expect to take up the opportunity to secure a grant for conversion to LPG? He completely squibbed that question. Let us not have this rubbish: ‘We don’t know how many people might take up the opportunity—