Senate debates

Wednesday, 4 March 2026

Questions without Notice

National Security

2:38 pm

Photo of Jonathon DuniamJonathon Duniam (Tasmania, Liberal Party, Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) | | Hansard source

My question is to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senator Wong. Yesterday you were asked by Sky News host Andrew Clenell on the issue of ISIS brides: did you or your office have any involvement in helping Jamal Rifi obtain 34 passports for them? In your answer, you very precisely said, 'Look, the issue of passports, I have not engaged with Mr Rifi on this.' Minister, did your office engage with Mr Rifi in any way on this issue of passports for the ISIS brides cohort?

2:39 pm

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs) | | Hansard source

I wasn't aware personally of Mr Rifi's engagement in the way you describe until that had become more public. I think Minister Burke has made clear he had no knowledge of Mr Rifi's actions and whereabouts other than what he had read in the media. I again say to you: Australians who are eligible are entitled to a passport. That's not a decision by my office. It's a decision under the legislation. There are circumstances in which, for security reasons, a passport might be cancelled or suspended. I think you referred belatedly to the appropriate section yesterday, and I—

Sorry! You referred to the appropriate section yesterday, and I made clear to you that the advice from ASIO or another competent authority which enables the minister to cancel or suspend was not provided.

Photo of Sue LinesSue Lines (President) | | Hansard source

Are you on a point of order, Senator Duniam?

Photo of Jonathon DuniamJonathon Duniam (Tasmania, Liberal Party, Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) | | Hansard source

It was just in relation to relevance. I did ask whether the minister's office had engaged with Dr Rifi or not.

Photo of Sue LinesSue Lines (President) | | Hansard source

The minister has responded to that. She is being relevant. Minister Wong, did you have anything further to add? If not, Senator Duniam, first supplementary?

2:40 pm

Photo of Jonathon DuniamJonathon Duniam (Tasmania, Liberal Party, Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) | | Hansard source

Minister, have you engaged with Mr Rifi about any matters in relation to the ISIS brides cohort?

2:41 pm

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs) | | Hansard source

No, I have not.

Photo of Sue LinesSue Lines (President) | | Hansard source

Senator Duniam, second supplementary?

Photo of Jonathon DuniamJonathon Duniam (Tasmania, Liberal Party, Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate) | | Hansard source

Minister, has your office engaged with Mr Rifi about any matters in relation to the so-called ISIS brides cohort?

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs) | | Hansard source

I do not believe so. I have no knowledge of it, and I will confirm.