Nita Green (Queensland, Australian Labor Party) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

My question is to the Minister for Families and Social Services, Senator Ruston. The minister has on seven occasions assured the Senate that there has been no debt recovery undertaken in the Townsville area. Does the minister stand by her statements?

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

I thank Senator Green for her continuing questioning on this particular issue. As Senator Green would be aware, when the devastating floods hit Queensland in February this year the Department of Human Services put a postcode pause on debt recovery in the areas that were identified by those postcodes in recognition of the hardship that had occurred and would continue to occur to those people in that area. I can categorically state, as I stand here today, that the pause that was placed on those postcode areas in the Townsville area post the floods remains in place.

Nita Green (Queensland, Australian Labor Party) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

I have now been provided with a robo-debt notice for almost $2,000, issued on 8 July to a recipient in Townsville. How is this notice consistent with the minister's statement in question time last Tuesday that 'There has been no debt recovery undertaken in the Townsville area'? I seek leave to table that debt notice now.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Is leave granted? Senator Cormann.

Mathias Cormann (WA, Liberal Party, Vice-President of the Executive Council) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

On a point of order, there are longstanding bipartisan conventions in this place. The government will consider the leave request that was made at the end of the question, consistent with the usual conventions and courtesies in this place.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

I will take it, in that case, Senator Green, that leave is not granted, pending the request of the minister. I will call Senator Ruston to answer your question.

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Can I just express my extreme disappointment. After repeated requests in this place, both privately and during question time, to Senator Green that, at any time Senator Green had, could she please provide that piece of information to me—

Hon. Senators:

Honourable senators interjecting—

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order on my left and my right!

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

As I said, I'm tremendously disappointed, having repeatedly asked for this information to be made available. If Senator Green wished to make this information available through the question time process, she could have availed herself of the opportunity to provide us with a copy of the letter before—

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order! Senator Cormann on a point of order.

Mathias Cormann (WA, Liberal Party, Vice-President of the Executive Council) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

On a point of order: I think Senator Wong knows that interjections and repeated interjections are disorderly, and I think we've had a fair bit of that.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

On the point of order, Senator Watt?

Murray Watt (Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Northern Australia) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

No—actually on a separate point of order.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Could I rule on this point of order. Interjections are always disorderly. I was having trouble hearing the minister, I will say, with the interjections. Senator Watt, on another point of order.

Murray Watt (Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Northern Australia) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

There are only 14 seconds left and the minister hasn't answered the question, which is: how is that notice consistent with her previous statements that there has been no debt recovery undertaken in the Townsville area? That's the question.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Senator Watt, as I said, I was having difficulty hearing the minister. There was obviously some debate regarding the tabling of the document. I took it that the minister was actually referring to the document and that issue in her answer. Senator Ruston.

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

As I was saying, I made the offer in this place, and the offer remains, and I thank the Senator for—

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order! Senator Wong.

Penny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

A point of order on direct relevance. Please answer the question.

Senator Ruston interjecting—

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order! Senator Wong.

Penny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Democracy, accountability of ministers to the people through the parliament.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order, Senator Wong. Senator Cormann.

Mathias Cormann (WA, Liberal Party, Vice-President of the Executive Council) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

This is now a debating point. She's not raising a point of order.

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Interjections are not helpful. On the point of order, the minister is referring to the document that Senator Green mentioned and sought leave to table. I consider that to be directly relevant. Senator Ruston.

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Thank you very much, Mr President. If I could just go back to my line of response to the question that you asked, and that was— (Time expired)

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Senator Green, a final supplementary question.

Nita Green (Queensland, Australian Labor Party) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

I am extremely disappointed that people in Townsville keep receiving debt notices even though, on seven occasions, you told the Senate that there has been no debt recovery undertaken in the Townsville area. Does the minister really expect the Senate to accept that a letter telling the recipient that they owe almost $2,000 does not count as debt recovery?

Anne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Minister for Families and Social Services) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

I will reiterate what I said for the senator to hear. In February, there was a pause placed on income compliance debt recovery. As we stand here today, that debt recovery pause remains in place. I have only just received this letter. I am more than happy to have a look at this letter and see what is actually in it. I have not had the privilege to do that as yet. Once I have had the opportunity to review what's in this letter, I will come back to this place and I will advise you of my response to it. But, as I said to you on several occasions in this chamber—and I'm glad that you've eventually provided a letter, which I now have the opportunity to review—I was always prepared, if you ever had an example or evidence of debt recovery that had recommenced in the Townsville area in relation to income compliance debt recovery, to address it. (Time expired)

Hon. Senators:

Honourable senators interjecting—

Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Link to this | Hansard source

Order! There's an opportunity for debating ministers' answers after question time.