Senate debates

Thursday, 4 July 2019

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Department of Home Affairs: Paladin Contracts; Order for the Production of Documents

12:11 pm

Photo of Kristina KeneallyKristina Keneally (NSW, Australian Labor Party, Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Before moving general business notice of motion No. 21, I ask that Senator Griff's name be added to the motion. I, and also on behalf of Senator Griff, move:

That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Home Affairs, by no later than 12 pm on 23 July 2019, the following documents:

(a) any correspondence, emails and notes of discussion between the Department of Home Affairs and:

(i) Paladin, including Paladin Holdings Pte Ltd, Paladin Solutions Group, Paladin Group Australia or Paladin Australia Pte Ltd, and any individuals either employed by, or holding a financial interest in, Paladin,

(A) in particular, any correspondence, emails and notes of discussion that include Mr Dermot Casey, and

(ii) NKW Holdings, including NKW Holdings Australia Pte Ltd, and any individuals either employed by, or holding a financial interest in NKW;

(b) any formal contracts between the Department of Home Affairs and any of the abovementioned companies to provide services in Papua New Guinea or Manus Island, with commercially sensitive information redacted;

(c) any reports prepared by external auditors, particularly Ernst and Young or KPMG, regarding operations undertaken by the abovementioned companies, or the tendering process that secured those services, with commercially sensitive information redacted; and

(d) any formal briefings, talking points or Question Time briefings prepared by the Department of Home Affairs in relation to the performance or activities of any of the abovementioned companies, or the tendering process that secured those services.

Question agreed to.

Senator Wong interjecting

Photo of Scott RyanScott Ryan (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Well, if you would like to ask me, Senator Wong, I said at the start that if the Senate wants me to run through these things numerically I'm happy to. But I have previously been asked to try to do matters—

Senator Wong interjecting

If I could finish, I will call you, Senator Wong. I have previously been asked to do matters without divisions first, and then we go—

An honourable senator interjecting

Well, I go on advice I get from whips. If people want to correct that advice I'm more than happy to do it in the order that I have outlined. Senator Wong?

12:12 pm

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I think the difficulty I'm having, Mr President, is that it is a different approach to the one you have taken previously, where we were told the numerical order is the way in which you wish to deal with it.

Photo of Scott RyanScott Ryan (President) Share this | | Hansard source

At the start of today—

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

And there are a number of matters where there may not be a division that you have skipped past. If we're going to go through the whole thing, Senator Cormann and I can sit here waiting to get to the relevant motions that we are waiting for.

Photo of Cory BernardiCory Bernardi (SA, Australian Conservatives) Share this | | Hansard source

Good idea!

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I'm happy to do that, Senator Bernardi, but I don't quite understand why we are at an OPD discussion when there are motions earlier that do need to be dealt with.

Photo of Penny WongPenny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

It is in your hands, Mr President.

Photo of Scott RyanScott Ryan (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Senator Wong, we normally do things numerically on Thursdays, because of the hard marker. At the start of this session I announced I would not do that today, because there was no hard marker at 12.45; otherwise everyone spends an hour in the chamber. If at any point someone would like to come to me and say, 'We have skipped my motion. Why?' or 'Could we do it earlier?' I have previously indicated I'm more than happy to. If people are indicating they would like to go back to an earlier motion, please just bring it to my attention and I'll do my best, particularly if it's party leaders or whips making the request. So—

An honourable senator interjecting

Well, I was now moving to matter No. 22, because—

Senator Cormann interjecting

What motion would you like to deal with?

Photo of Mathias CormannMathias Cormann (WA, Liberal Party, Vice-President of the Executive Council) Share this | | Hansard source

Nos 9, 10 and 11—

Photo of Scott RyanScott Ryan (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Eleven? All right, I will now go numerically. We'll go back to business of the Senate notice of motion No. 2 in the name of Senator Whish-Wilson.