Senate debates Questions without Notice

Community Legal Centres


Claire Moore

Claire Moore Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Women

2:51 pm

My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Brandis. On 1 July 2017 the Attorney-General's 30 per cent cuts to community legal services will come into effect. Does the Prime Minister support the cuts, which will see the Castan legal centre—and I know you know that centre very well, Senator Brandis—have to close its child support unit?

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

I know you would not deliberately mislead the Senate, Senator Moore, but I assume you are referring to the Dreyfus cuts, which were announced in the 2013 budget.

Jacinta Collins

Jacinta Collins Victoria, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Cabinet Secretary

Rubbish.

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

In the 2013 budget, as a result of a decision made by—

Jacinta Collins

Jacinta Collins Victoria, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Cabinet Secretary

How long have you been in government for?

Stephen Parry

Stephen Parry President

Order on my left. A question has been asked. The Attorney-General has the—

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate

What have you been doing as Attorney for four years?

Stephen Parry

Stephen Parry President

Order! The Attorney-General needs to be heard in silence.

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

I assume you are referring to the cuts decided upon by Mr Dreyfus when he was Attorney-General in the 2013 budget, which were engineered to expire on 30 June 2017. This is not a forward estimates estimate; this was a terminating program designed to finish on 30 June 2017. So, whatever reductions there may be on 30 June 2017 are in large part due to decisions made by your government, a government of which you were a member, which were designed to terminate then.

Stephen Parry

Stephen Parry President

Senator Moore, a supplementary question.

Claire Moore

Claire Moore Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Women

2:53 pm

The Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre outreach service in the Tweed region is facing closure as a result of these cuts, which are happening under your watch, Attorney-General. What advice does the Prime Minister have for Tweed residents unable to find legal assistance?

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

My advice to those people is to speak to Mr Dreyfus and inquire of him why, when he established a program, he engineered it to terminate four years later. If he was of the view that there was a need for continuing funding, he could have asked for it, but he did not. He engineered a program beyond the life of the government of which he was a member to terminate at 30 June 2017. I know that community legal centres are suffering as a result of the Dreyfus funding cliff, and they ought to take the matter up with the person who engineered that funding cliff.

Stephen Parry

Stephen Parry President

Senator Moore, a final supplementary question.

Claire Moore

Claire Moore Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Women

2:54 pm

Attorney, as a result of the cuts, the Hobart Women's Legal Service will see a $200,000 reduction in funding from the Commonwealth. Will the Prime Minister, or indeed the Attorney-General, intervene and reverse these cuts to ensure women in Hobart get access to the assistance they need? And maybe get them to have a chat to you, Attorney.

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

Senator Moore, I will be pointing out to them that the cuts that they are suffering are as a result of decisions made by Mr Dreyfus. Nevertheless, I will also be pointing out to them that under this government, under the national partnership agreement which commenced on 1 July 2015—

Claire Moore

Claire Moore Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister for Women

In direct relevance to the specific question. I understand the Attorney is giving background, but the particular question was: will the Prime Minister intervene? Knowing the background—intervene.

Stephen Parry

Stephen Parry President

Thank you, Senator Moore. I will remind the Attorney-General of the question.

George Brandis

George Brandis Queensland, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

Senator, what I am telling you is what arrangements this government has already made to provide for the needs of the kind you have identified. Under the national partnership agreement negotiated by this government, commencing on 1 July 2015 the Commonwealth is providing $1.6 billion to community legal centres, legal aid commissions and Indigenous legal assistance providers, and as well, under the packages announced for women's safety by my colleague Michaelia Cash, we are increasing that by another $16.5 million. (Time expired)