Senate debates

Wednesday, 28 October 2009

Questions without Notice

Asylum Seekers

2:00 pm

Photo of Concetta Fierravanti-WellsConcetta Fierravanti-Wells (NSW, Liberal Party, Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Immigration and Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Assisting the Leader in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

My question is to the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Senator Evans. I refer the minister to the fact that the people on board the Oceanic Viking have indicated that they do not want to get off the boat. Can the minister inform the Senate whether Australian Customs officials on board the Oceanic Viking will be ordered to forcibly remove the illegal entrants if they refuse to disembark, or will they be assisted by Indonesian law enforcement authorities?

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I thank the senator for the question. The Australian government has negotiated with the Indonesian government that this boatload of potential asylum seekers rescued in international waters in the Indonesian search and rescue zone will be landed—

Photo of Mathias CormannMathias Cormann (WA, Liberal Party, Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Health Administration) Share this | | Hansard source

What are you saying? We can’t hear you.

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

It seems there may be a microphone problem.

Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

There might be a problem with the volume on the microphone. Continue, Senator Evans.

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I have never been accused of talking too softly in this chamber; there have in fact occasionally been allegations to the contrary! As I was saying, there is an agreement that these people will be disembarked in Indonesia and then be processed by the UNHCR over any asylum claims they have. We are confident that we will be able to see a successful disembarkation. The Australian authorities are obviously working with Indonesian authorities on how that might occur. We are very confident in the professionalism of the Customs officers on board the vessel, and they will obviously work out a plan of action with Indonesian officials to effect the disembarkation. I might say, though, that it is our intention that they be disembarked in Indonesia. While the passengers may prefer another destination, that is the intention, and we hope to see them disembarked in the near future.

Photo of Concetta Fierravanti-WellsConcetta Fierravanti-Wells (NSW, Liberal Party, Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Immigration and Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Assisting the Leader in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I refer to the comments of the provincial governor of Riau Islands refusing to accept the 78 asylum seekers on board the Oceanic Viking:

We’re not a dumping ground for other countries.

What arrangements have now been made in relation to the 78 asylum seekers, and what was the Prime Minister’s involvement in the decisions about those arrangements? Can the minister guarantee that they will not be taken to Christmas Island?

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I thank the senator for her question. I am not sure whether she is arguing that they should be taken to Christmas Island or should not. I have heard so many different positions from the opposition on this. But, turning to the first part of her question, I can indicate that the provincial governor seems to have softened his earlier comments and is quoted as saying:

But if it’s an order from Jakarta, we have to accept it.

I note that a spokesperson for President Yudhoyono has clarified Indonesia’s position and that they will be honouring the undertaking from the president that they will cooperate in the disembarkation of those passengers at the Indonesian port. So we expect that agreement to come to fruition, as I say, and we expect those passengers to be disembarked at the port of Kijang.

Photo of Concetta Fierravanti-WellsConcetta Fierravanti-Wells (NSW, Liberal Party, Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Immigration and Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Assisting the Leader in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Minister, surely the continuing chaos unfolding over the Oceanic Viking highlights the collapse of the Labor government’s handling of Australia’s border protection policy?

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

There was not much of a question there, Mr President, but can I say that this is a complex and difficult matter. Simple assertions do not take you anywhere. As successive—

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Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! Order on both sides!

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Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! Just wait. When there is order on both sides, we will continue.

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Thank you, Mr President. As people are aware, this is an unusual situation in that this was a rescue at sea in the Indonesian search and rescue area. I do not think anyone is suggesting that Australia, given that we had the capacity, went to the—

Photo of David JohnstonDavid Johnston (WA, Liberal Party, Shadow Minister for Defence) Share this | | Hansard source

Senator Johnston interjecting

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Senator Johnston, do you not support the rescue of this vessel? Is that your proposition?

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Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Is that your proposition?

Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Senator, order!

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Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Is that your proposition?

Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! Order on both sides!

Photo of Nick MinchinNick Minchin (SA, Liberal Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Mr President, I raise a point of order. Could you please instruct the Leader of the Government in the Senate to direct his remarks through the chair and not directly across the chamber.

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Mr President, on the point of order: I accept that remarks should be directed through the chair, but Senator Johnston’s continual interjections, seeking to suggest that we should not have rescued those persons, I find offensive. If that is his view, he ought to stand up and state it.

Photo of Michael RonaldsonMichael Ronaldson (Victoria, Liberal Party, Shadow Special Minister of State) Share this | | Hansard source

On the point of order, Mr President: I clearly and obviously sit beside Senator Johnston. He did not make any such comment. There was nothing he said that could be interpreted the way the leader has done, and he should apologise.

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Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! On both sides, I need order!

Photo of Joe LudwigJoe Ludwig (Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Manager of Government Business in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

Mr President, on the point of order: I will raise this shortly. There was no point of order raised; that was merely an explanation to support a colleague. It is inappropriate to use—

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Photo of Joe LudwigJoe Ludwig (Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Manager of Government Business in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I am responding to a false point of order because, in the proper management of this chamber, a point of order raised as a mere way of explaining is not a point of order and should not be taken as a point of order.

Photo of John HoggJohn Hogg (President) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! I remind senators that interjections across the chamber, from either side, are disorderly. During question time I need to hear the answers to the questions. I know that people in this chamber are also very much aware that comments should not be directed across the chamber when senators are on their feet; they should be directed through the chair. If people on both my left and my right desist from these interjections, we can get on with question time.

Photo of Chris EvansChris Evans (WA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Government in the Senate) Share this | | Hansard source

I indicate that the government restates its view that the rescue of these persons was the appropriate policy response. We also reiterate that the agreement with Indonesia for the disembarkation is the appropriate policy response. (Time expired)