Senate debates

Monday, 4 December 2023

Bills

Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023, Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023; In Committee

12:58 pm

Photo of Anne RustonAnne Ruston (SA, Liberal Party, Shadow Minister for Health and Aged Care) Share this | Hansard source

I will get that out in a second because it seems to me that you just put on the record exactly my argument. The point I'm actually trying to make here is this. I'm not trying to say that this bill is going to do something or is not going to do something. I'm simply trying to understand how you are intending to measure whether it is or it isn't. I'm not coming in here and saying that this bill is going to increase the black market. What I'm seeking to understand is what the size of the black market is and how you are going to measure whether the bill does or doesn't push people onto the black market. Everything you have said is fine, but it is completely missing the point of the questioning I am trying to put to you. What is the size of the black market in Australia today?

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