House debates Questions without Notice

Budget

Tuesday, 13 October 2026 House of Representatives

Tim Wilson

Tim Wilson Goldstein, Liberal Party, Shadow Treasurer

2:16 pm

My question is to the Treasurer. After driving government spending to the highest level in 40 years and 16 interest rate rises on his watch, the Treasurer's colleagues said: 'There's no point in the Treasurer jumping up and down saying inflation's got nothing to do with government spending. That's clearly not true. It's like he's a used-car salesman.' Will the Treasurer finally admit his out-of-control spending is driving up inflation and interest rates?

Milton Dick

Milton Dick Speaker

Order, members on my right.

The member for Petrie will leave the chamber under 94(a).

The member for Petrie then left the chamber.

Do not interject before a minister has even spoken. Do not interject when a minister is about to speak. I'm being crystal clear with everyone on that. The person asking the question should be heard in silence, particularly when people are about to answer questions. It is completely unacceptable. When the House comes to order, we'll hear from the Treasurer.

Jim Chalmers

Jim Chalmers Rankin, Australian Labor Party, Treasurer

2:17 pm

Thank you to the shadow treasurer for his rare question! I want to make three points about three recent developments. The first one is that, on Friday night, Fitch reaffirmed Australia's AAA credit rating. That means we've got the AAA credit rating from all three major ratings agencies and are one of only nine countries in the world that has that from the three agencies. That's the first development.

The second development is that, at the end of last month, we released the final budget outcome, which showed that the bottom line for that year was better than what we inherited and better than what was forecast at the election, and it's improved again since the budget. The deficit was $6 billion better than budget—very importantly, almost half of what those opposite left us—and, overall, the budget's $230 billion stronger than what we inherited. As part of all of that, public demand has eased more quickly than expected at the same time as inflation has picked up. That tells us that there are a number of other factors at play. All of those are facts.

The third development is also a fact, and the third development is this: on the weekend, the Leader of the Opposition went to the far-right conference in Brisbane. He had a shot there at Josh Frydenberg when he said—

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Milton Dick

Milton Dick Speaker

Order! When the House comes to order, the manager will take his points of order.

Dan Tehan

Dan Tehan Wannon, Liberal Party, Shadow Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction

The question had nothing about the opposition in it. Sure, it had used-car salesmen, but it had nothing about the opposition in it. It didn't.

Milton Dick

Milton Dick Speaker

You need to state the point of order. We're not getting into bad—

Dan Tehan

Dan Tehan Wannon, Liberal Party, Shadow Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction

It was relevance.

Milton Dick

Milton Dick Speaker

Yes, I'm aware of that, but we're just going to follow what everyone else does. We're not getting into bad habits. The Leader of the House.

Mr Tony Burke

Mr Tony Burke Watson, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the House

Mr Speaker, to the point of order, it's frequently been ruled, including by you and by Speaker Smith, that, when there is a preamble like there was in that question, then the doors of relevance open very, very wide, and the Treasurer is completely consistent with what precedent has allowed.

Milton Dick

Milton Dick Speaker

The question was:

Will the Treasurer finally admit his out-of-control spending is driving up inflation and interest rates?

Before we got to that part of the question, there was a quote and there was a comparison.

Okay, Leader of the Opposition. We're just trying to deal with this. It was a very broad question, with the preamble in there and with, let's call it, 'colour and movement' in the early part of the question. If there's that kind of commentary in any question, there's going to be some pretty colour and movement with the answer as well.

Jim Chalmers

Jim Chalmers Rankin, Australian Labor Party, Treasurer

I was asked about spending, and I've dealt with that. And I was asked about the views of colleagues, and I'm about to deal with that too. When the Leader of the Opposition went to that far-right conference in Brisbane, he had a shot at Josh Frydenberg. He said one of the big mistakes they made in office was that they made a mess of the budget—that they spent too much money. A lot of our work, in the 4½ years we've been in office, has been to clean up the mess that Josh Frydenberg left behind. That is the fact of the matter.

When the Leader of the Opposition went to that far-right conference and he made those comments, the thing that he didn't say, when it comes to spending and the question I got from the shadow treasurer, is that those opposite, since the election, have made more than $110 billion in extra, unfunded commitments. That would mean that, if those opposite were in office, the deficits that are currently in the budget would be at least twice as big as they are now, and, by their own logic in the shadow treasurer's question, that would be pushing up inflation and interest rates—by his own logic.

Is it any wonder that the member for Canning is stalking him inside this place? The former member for Kooyong is stalking him from outside this place. Josh Frydenberg thinks the Liberal Party is circling the drain on your watch, and he's right.