My question is to the Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Minister for Defence Personnel. Veterans and their families have lost faith in the minister. Former Royal Australian Navy diver and Fair Care for Veterans spokesman John Armfield said, after the meeting with the minister, 'I enlisted under the Navy values of courage, honour, honesty and loyalty, yet you failed to display any of these values, Minister.' How can the minister continue as Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Defence Personnel if he cannot uphold Defence values?