My question is to the Minister for Home Affairs. Can the minister confirm that other departmental staff were present at the time of her verbal altercation with the secretary of her department?

I think we can all see and agree that agility is not exactly their strong point here. This is the third variation of the exact same question. I'd say again to the deputy leader and I'd say again to the parliament: I am incredibly proud to work with the secretary of my department. We're doing really important things in Home Affairs, and we have a very a close and collaborative relationship.