House debates

Thursday, 14 September 2023

Questions without Notice

Australian Constitution: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

2:23 pm

Photo of Angie BellAngie Bell (Moncrieff, Liberal National Party, Shadow Minister for Early Childhood Education) Share this | | Hansard source

My question is to the Prime Minister. Prime Minister, what areas of government policy do not affect Indigenous Australians?

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! The Minister for Home Affairs is warned.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

I thank the member for her question, which goes to the referendum that is before the Australian people and the three clauses that are there that Australians will have the opportunity to vote for on October 14. They will vote for, firstly, recognition. That says—

Hon. Members:

Honourable members interjecting

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! The Prime Minister will pause. I'm going to ask the member for Barker and the member for Hume to cease interjecting for the remainder of this question—preferably the rest of question time, but I'll take one at a time. The member for Moncrieff was heard in silence. She was given that courtesy. I'm just asking the same courtesy be given to the Prime Minister.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

The referendum question is quite clear. It says:

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia …

There's the recognition. Then it says how. It says:

i. There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice—

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The Prime Minister will pause. The member for Moncrieff is seeking the call. The Prime Minister is less than one minute into—

You will get the call. Before I call the member for Moncrieff, the Prime Minister is less than one minute into the answer. Under the standing orders, you are entitled to raise a point of order under relevance. I want to say, once the relevance point is made right now, you will not be able to raise that point again. I will give you the call.

Photo of Angie BellAngie Bell (Moncrieff, Liberal National Party, Shadow Minister for Early Childhood Education) Share this | | Hansard source

My point of order is on relevance. The Prime Minister has been asked a very tight question. Areas of government that do not affect Indigenous—

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Resume your seat. The member for Moncrieff knows that all ministers and prime ministers are entitled to a preamble. I don't know what's coming for the remainder of the answer, but the point—

Order, Leader of the Opposition! The point of order on relevance has now been made. I want to be clear on that. It has been ruled on. The Prime Minister has the call.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

Then the question that's before the Australian people goes through three points:

i. there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;

ii. the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples …

That goes to the question that has been asked. The third bit is connected to the second bit, funnily enough. It follows—point 3 follows point 2. The third point says:

iii. the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

Photo of Barnaby JoyceBarnaby Joyce (New England, National Party, Shadow Minister for Veterans' Affairs) Share this | | Hansard source

'The word 'referendum' wasn't in there. Neither was 'sneaky'. You're cooked, mate!

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

Can I ask that that be withdrawn?

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

I'm just going to ask the member for New England to assist the House and withdraw so we can continue. It will assist the House to withdraw.

Photo of Barnaby JoyceBarnaby Joyce (New England, National Party, Shadow Minister for Veterans' Affairs) Share this | | Hansard source

I withdraw.

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

I thank the member for New England.

Opposition members interjecting

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

Twice you made him Deputy PM.

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The Prime Minister will return to the question.

Opposition members interjecting

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

It's fair enough. The member for Riverina was against him. That is true.

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

The Prime Minister will not take the interjections. He has the call.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

The point of the Voice is that it is an advisory group that very clearly doesn't have the right of veto. It doesn't have the power to direct parliament or to direct the government. It just has the power of its ideas. Just like the Business Council of Australia can make representations over whether Melbourne or the Roosters are going to win this Saturday, it's not relevant—

Photo of Milton DickMilton Dick (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Order! The member for Fairfax will cease interjecting or be warned.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

If you go and talk to the Michael Longs of this world about what their priorities are for Indigenous Australians, the idea that their priority is about parking tickets or anything else is complete nonsense.

You're the ones that have raised it, mate.

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Order! The Prime Minister will direct his remarks to the chair.

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Prime Minister) Share this | | Hansard source

It is advisory only. It only has the power of its ideas. (Time expired)

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Order! The member for Bowman will leave the chamber under 94(a).

The member for Bowman then left the chamber—

Honourable members interjecting

When the House comes to order, we'll hear from the member for Macquarie.