House debates

Thursday, 4 February 2021

Questions without Notice

Workplace Relations

2:06 pm

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition) Share this | | Hansard source

My question is addressed to the Prime Minister and I ask: how can the Prime Minister claim his industrial relations changes don't allow for cuts, when the cuts are right here in schedule 3 part 5 clause 19 of the Prime Minister's own industrial relations legislation that is before this parliament right now?

Photo of Christian PorterChristian Porter (Pearce, Liberal Party, Attorney-General) Share this | | Hansard source

They're simply not, and that provision doesn't do what the Leader of the Opposition is saying before the House that it does do. And, being asked by the opposition a form of question which falsely puts something that the bill does, it is useful to look at the things that the bill actually does and which are all opposed by members opposite.

An opposition member: No.

The bill imposes—

Photo of Tony SmithTony Smith (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

The minister will resume his seat. The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order?

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition) Share this | | Hansard source

Yes, Mr Speaker: there have been a number of questions here this week, as you'd recall, Mr Speaker; here we have clarified: schedule 3, part 5, clause 19—we had down to the paragraph in the legislation that this question's about.

Photo of Tony SmithTony Smith (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

I'd just say: you need to state what the point of order is. I'm assuming—

Photo of Anthony AlbaneseAnthony Albanese (Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition) Share this | | Hansard source

It's on relevance. The minister can't talk about every other clause; he has to talk about this clause, which is the better off overall test.

Photo of Tony SmithTony Smith (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Yes. I just—

Honourable members interjecting

I would like to rule on the point of order. Unlike the last question, there's not any tolerance in this. The minister has been asked about a specific clause and he needs to confine himself to that. I mean, obviously, as he started the answer he dealt with the matter very directly, but the Leader of the Opposition is right—it's not about any other clauses and doesn't enable him to do that. The minister has the call.

Photo of Christian PorterChristian Porter (Pearce, Liberal Party, Attorney-General) Share this | | Hansard source

I can reiterate that what the Leader of the Opposition contends could occur in that clause cannot occur, will not occur and does not occur now, with precisely the same drafted protections that Labor put into the act.

Opposition members interjecting

Photo of Tony SmithTony Smith (Speaker) Share this | | Hansard source

Members on my left! Members on my left, when we've had a specific question, the Leader of the Opposition's raised a point of order and I've asked the minister to answer the question directly, a wall of noise is just going to result in a whole series of ejections from the chamber.