House debates Questions without Notice

Workplace Relations

Thursday, 4 February 2021 House of Representatives

Anthony Albanese

Anthony Albanese Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition

2:06 pm

My question is addressed to the Prime Minister and I ask: how can the Prime Minister claim his industrial relations changes don't allow for cuts, when the cuts are right here in schedule 3 part 5 clause 19 of the Prime Minister's own industrial relations legislation that is before this parliament right now?

Christian Porter

Christian Porter Pearce, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

They're simply not, and that provision doesn't do what the Leader of the Opposition is saying before the House that it does do. And, being asked by the opposition a form of question which falsely puts something that the bill does, it is useful to look at the things that the bill actually does and which are all opposed by members opposite.

An opposition member: No.

The bill imposes—

Tony Smith

Tony Smith Speaker

The minister will resume his seat. The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order?

Anthony Albanese

Anthony Albanese Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition

Yes, Mr Speaker: there have been a number of questions here this week, as you'd recall, Mr Speaker; here we have clarified: schedule 3, part 5, clause 19—we had down to the paragraph in the legislation that this question's about.

Tony Smith

Tony Smith Speaker

I'd just say: you need to state what the point of order is. I'm assuming—

Anthony Albanese

Anthony Albanese Grayndler, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition

It's on relevance. The minister can't talk about every other clause; he has to talk about this clause, which is the better off overall test.

Tony Smith

Tony Smith Speaker

Yes. I just—

Honourable members interjecting—

I would like to rule on the point of order. Unlike the last question, there's not any tolerance in this. The minister has been asked about a specific clause and he needs to confine himself to that. I mean, obviously, as he started the answer he dealt with the matter very directly, but the Leader of the Opposition is right—it's not about any other clauses and doesn't enable him to do that. The minister has the call.

Christian Porter

Christian Porter Pearce, Liberal Party, Attorney-General

I can reiterate that what the Leader of the Opposition contends could occur in that clause cannot occur, will not occur and does not occur now, with precisely the same drafted protections that Labor put into the act.

Opposition members interjecting—

Tony Smith

Tony Smith Speaker

Members on my left! Members on my left, when we've had a specific question, the Leader of the Opposition's raised a point of order and I've asked the minister to answer the question directly, a wall of noise is just going to result in a whole series of ejections from the chamber.